Saturday, November 23, 2013

at the Czechoslovak Genealogical Society International Conference

In October of 2013 we attended the Czechoslovak Genealogical Society International Conference  in Lombard, Illinois.

This conference appeared on our radar while looking for anything that might inform us on my Bohemian ancestry.   If it didn't help in understanding the Kunshier's world, it looked like an opportunity to  learn some genealogical techniques from some skilled amateurs and professionals.

An additional prompt was finding Rosemary Ruffenach's  article about her Grandmother's Fur Coat in the March 3, 2011 Twin Cities Daily Planet.  (see entire article here)  

 Rosemary writes: "the coat would have graced Grandma's shoulders during Mass at St. Bernard's Church in Saint Paul's North End community (home to Austro-Hungarians and Bohemians), and to meetings at the St. Bernard's Little Flower Mission Club, as well as visits to her extended family scattered throughout the North End....  

Many of my maternal family members attended St. Bernards and grew up in the same neighborhood that Rosemary mentions in the article.  It was the church of my mother and her family.  My parents were married in the rectory by the parish priest. 

We filled out membership forms on-line, paid our conference fees, and bright and early on a Thursday morning were on our way to the Westin Hotel in Lombard, Illinois.   Never having been to Lombard, but confident we would get there eventually, we wandered on.  In hindsight, this was not the smartest approach, but we did manage, after a couple of gas station and fast food location inquiries to pull up to the Postmodern shopping center that harbored the Westin Hotel. 

"Before you can begin your search in the archives of the Czech Republic, it's necessary to have, at the very least, the name of your Czech ancestor and the name of the village where they lived prior to emigrating." ... cautions from the Czech Archives (click for more info)

Well, we had some names but didn't have the village. We had great grandparents identified as Bohemian in the 1910 Federal Census.  We were hoping, by some miracle,  to discover their village during the course of a presentation or from a crucial clue provided by a fellow participant between bites of the luncheon chicken salad sandwich.

We had arranged for cat feeding and a place to stay.  The first was provided by friend Jim Lookabaugh and daughters. The later was provided by Shan's daughter Monica and husband Mike at their home in Wilmette.  Entertainment and drama was provided by their daughter Teagen and Stewart the cat and Madison the dog.  

Shan had posted this query to the C.G.S.I. member's web board. "Wasshobon, Where is it? The last name is Kunshier, Joseph and wife, Marie Katherine (nee Teller.) Neither Joseph Sr. or his son, Joseph Jr. identify their home village on their Declarations of Intent to become U. S. citizens. Of the other two sons born in Bohemia, one does not apply and dies as a young adult, leaving the third son, Charles who gives his place of birth as Wasshobon, Austria on his Declaration of Intent. Could he mean Wasseau, Bohm? We have had no luck finding such a place. Has anyone heard of Wasshobon? Thank you for any help."

Charles Kunshier's Declaration of Intention:


If you don't know your ancestor's village of origin, there are a few ways to go about finding that information. The most obvious approach is to contact older relatives to see if they know the name of the village or if they have original documents which indicate the name of the village of origin. Marriage, birth and baptismal certificates will usually provide the needed information. Family bibles, passports, and old letters are other likely sources." ....Leo Baca author of Czech Immigration Passenger Lists
Previous to our trip, Shan spent some time at the State Historical Society of Wisconsin looking through the Leo Baca indices for Kunshier embarkation logs. 
She did find that Josef (Joseph)  Kunscher (Kunshier) embarked on the German Lloyd ship "Nurnberg", from Bremen, in September of 1884. He landed in Baltimore with Josef Jr., age 15, and Michel, age 13, on October 15.   Left behind, to come later, were Marie (Mary) and the other 3 children.  (On one of the census, Maria gives her arrival date as a year later than Joseph's).
The first conference session that I attended was Documenting Czech Immigrant Arrivals by Leo Baca.  Leo is a Czech Texan whose primary interest in documenting the arrival of Czech immigrants to America.  He has conducted Czech genealogical research for more than 30 years and has published the nine-volume Czech Immigration Passenger Lists series.  His session included information about ship passenger lists, Internet sources, and his publications.  I found the session informative in the macro but not enlightening in the mirco.

The 2nd session I attended was Homes of Our Czech Ancestors in the Old Fatherland by Miroslav Koudelka.  Miroslav  has been a professional genealogist since 1993.   He also serves as a guide in the Czech Republic, and interpreter.  He translated into English the History of Czechs in America by Dr. Jan Habenicht.   Again informative and interesting for the wider context but not our narrower quest.

Shan attended two sessions with Czech genealogist Jan Dus.
The Czech Republic has great records for the Catholic Church, census, land ownership, and European based genealogy.  Many of the records have been digitized.    She was very impressed with the extensive resources that are available in the Czech Republic and, if we ever discover a village name, we should be able to tap into the information that is out there.




Shan Thomas consulting on the Kunshiers with Pam Peltier.

The conference also provided scheduled time to use the CGSI traveling library and a private consultation with a trained volunteer genealogist.  Pam Peltier helped with our search and, while she tried every thing she could think of, we were still left scratching our heads about the name of the village.


One of the books we searched in the volumes brought to Lombard  was the  Berni Rula, a 1654 Bohemian civil census. Land owners names and property are recorded and published by area of the country.  The two volume alphabetical name index lists name of taxpayer, how many fields owned, listing of livestock, social position, etc.

We didn't find Kunshiers in this census, but did find two families of Streckers, Caspar and George. In our family tree, Emma Kunshier, a sibling of Grandma Rose Kunshier married George Strecker  and the Kunshiers and Streckers continued as neighbors in Anoka County.  Maybe a connection, maybe not.  
The complete Czechoslovak Genealogical Society International Library is housed within the Minnesota Genealogical Society (MGS) Library in St. Paul, Minnesota and perhaps worth a look during a future trip. [directions and more info here]
All of this was helpful for a broader context but not specific enough for our search.  We came to the conclusion that the ancestors we were looking for were probably German speaking Bohemians who had come from the border districts of Bohemia. This area is also  referenced after the First World War as The Sudetenland. Today it is part of the Czech Republic.

Wade Olsen
 The conference presenter person who seemed most informed about the German-Bohemians  was Wade Olsen.    He has focused much of his research and time on the central European region including the western Czech Republic and eastern Bavaria.  I attended both of his sessions on German-Bohemian Immigrants and their culture. 

Wade now lives  New Ulm, Minnesota where many of the German-Bohemians settled.  He is the current editor of the German-Bohemian Heritage Societies newsletter.  New Ulm is also the headquarters of the German-Bohemian Society and home to their library and research facility.  His predecessor as editor was Robert Paulson who was also the society founder.   Many of the early issues of the newsletter, The Heimatbrief , are available on line. (see them here)

A few years ago during a trip to the Minnesota History Center in St. Paul, we had purchased the book,  German Bohemians; The Quiet Immigration.  It was written by Laven J. Rippley with much of the research  information, and many photographs provided  by Robert Paulson.  Both Shan and I  gave it a cursory look at the time but because it was so focused on the New Ulm community, we put it into the "to be read later" pile.   Now is the time to give it a 2nd look.

"The German Bohemians almost became a lost people. It is extremely difficult to track their life in America. Few archives recognize the existence of the German-Bohemians as a distinct cultural group. Usually they are lumped together with other nationalities. Some census-takers listed them as Austrian, since their homeland was under the rule of the Austrian Empire when they immigrated. Some were labeled as German because of the language they spoke. Still others were called Bohemians, a term which hardly distinguished them from their Czech neighbors. In fact, in the 1905 Minnesota census, Brown County, the home of the most German Bohemians in Minnesota, was noted to have the second-largest Czech population in the state, when in fact there were only two Czech speaking families in the County. Not until the 1920s census were the Bohmish listed as German speakers from Bohemia." ... Robert Paulson “German-Bohemian Immigration to North America” Selected Papers from the 2003 SVU North American Conference, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, 26-28 June 2003

 After the conference, Shan scrolled for hours through the embarkation records from Hamburg and the Baltimore debarkation records for the years 1884-1886. The hope was to find additional Kunshiers on the ship manifests.

 Going forward, there is still hope that we can recover some information about Kunshiers in the Minnesota Roman Catholic Archdiocese records. The two locations would be at St. Agnes in St. Paul or at St. Peters in Forest Lake.  We have gathered names of possible living Kunshiers from obituaries, listings, and the white pages of  telephone directories in Minnesota and Wisconsin.  We will formulate a letter to send to any Kunshiers that may help in the quest.

The conference was very encouraging.  If we can find the Bohemian home village, we may have a wealth of information waiting for us in the Czech Republic.

Wednesday, September 25, 2013

Charlie Deutsch, Pat Schotl's Memorial Service, Calvary Cemetery

This blog results from the trip that Shan and I made to the memorial service for Aunt Patricia Schanno Schotl on September 14th, 2013.  We had planned to meet with Pat sometime in October to learn more of her history and continue filling out the Schanno family tree.  Unfortunately, before we could meet again, she passed on and left a void for all who knew and loved her.  We wanted to share in the remembrance and celebration of this woman so we decided to make the trip and attend the service. 

As stated in the Memoriam blog I had just renewed a contact with Pat that had been lost many years before.  I knew a little about her but less about her children and their lives.  I remember meeting Sandi, her oldest daughter, and the two older boys Craig and David.   Jean and Dianne, the two youngest girls and Rob, the youngest son, were all born after I left St. Paul.  I wondered if I would recognize anyone at the service and what kind of reception we would receive, based on the fact their father, my uncle, Herbert James Schotl, had not been there for them for most of their growing up years.  After the separation and divorce from Pat, he remarried and had little or nothing to do with his children.  He died December 31 of 1997 and was buried in Fort Snelling Military Cemetery.

We had little opportunity to meet or talk to anyone before the service with the exception of Pat's brother Dell Schanno and his wife Janet.  They live in Wirt, Minnesota and had made the 4 hour trip to St. Paul in the morning and planned to return after the service was over.
Janet had her own story to tell as a couple of months before she had become disoriented while picking blue berries and spent the night in the woods with the whole county looking for her.

We introduced ourselves after the service to Jean and her brother David.  I don't think it registered at the time that we were first cousins.  We did talk to some of the women from Aunt Pat's apartment building and met two ladies, the Benton sisters, who were related to Pat, and grew up on Western Avenue just off Front Street.  While we wished we could have met more of the family, we were happy we went and paid our respects. 

St. Paul is about a four hour trip from Mount Horeb, so when we make the trek we usually try to combine a number of visits with genealogy research. We had been in contact with a Mr. Charlie Deutsch through the Burgenland Bunch site and had been wanting to meet and talk to him about some of  my relatives and their neighbors who were from Northern Burgenland.  These people emigrated to the Midwest from a small area surrounding the town of Monchhof.  They came as farmers and tradesmen.  Some bought farms while many took up residence in St. Paul's Rice Street Neighborhood and nearby "Frogtown".   

                                                  Map is from the Burgenland Bunch site

Shan had sent Charlie some family names we were researching and he told her he would do some checking.  He agreed to meet with us on that Friday and we set the time and place at the Barnes and Nobles on Snelling Avenue.  After swapping some St. Paul stories and  learning about each other, he brought out his lap-top.  Most of the records we were interested in he personally entered into a spread-sheet from the Saint Bernard Church and School records.  "The Church of Saint Bernard's Baptism, Marriage, and Death records have been digitized for the years from 1890 - 1940.  The Grade School records have been digitized for the years 1890 - 1955."  He encourages a contact and his information is  available here.

As it turned out on Sunday morning, we had some time before heading down to Onalaska to visit with my sister Kayleen and Larry White, her husband.  We made a quick visit to Calvary Cemetery on Front Street in St. Paul.  My Grandfather Frank Schotl, his son Lawrence, and my Great Aunt's husband John Handler Jr. are all buried there. We had never visited their graves.  Shan had obtained a cemetery map from the office so we knew where to look.  Calvary is a huge cemetery located on Front Street, West of Dale Street, serving  St. Paul's Catholic community with over 100,00 burials. 

                           We were able to clean off the stones and take the marker photos.

After our time in the cemetery, and as we headed out of town, we drove down Front Street through the Rice Street area.  We wanted to see if we could locate the building or buildings that are in photos we have of Herb and Len Schotl. 

The photo on the left was taken ca. 1945.  As we drove up Geranium to Rice Street we realized we had found the same spot.  The photo on the right was taken Sept. 2013.  The building across the street, behind the men, is now the DeLisle Co. Realty.  The building now on the left is used by The International School of Excellence, a Hmong School which is located in what was formerly a Saint Bernard's School building.  Saint Bernard's Grade School closed in 2009 and the High School closed in 2010.   

The photo on the left was taken ca. 1945  from behind the bar on the corner.  The photo on the right was taken Sept. 2013 from about the same spot.  The distinctive black lines can be seen on the brick on both photos.


The last photo is of the back of the bar, again ca. 1945 with both Herb and Len Schotl and unknown 3rd person.  The place matching photo is again from September, 2013.  Note the vents, grated window and electrical connections look very much the same.  We are hoping Charlie can help ID some of the other men in the older photos. 

                Shan took a couple of other photos in the Rice Street Neighborhood.

"Old" Firehouse 22, at the corner of Front and Matilda

My father and mother lived briefly at 1001      Matilda Street.  Old Fire Engine House 22 was located down the block at the corner of Front and Matilda.  After Dad was employed by the St. Paul Fire Department he spoke with fondness of being able to renew his acquaintance at that location.  In his job as Superintendent of Apparatus, he was in charge of keeping the equipment and vehicles in good running order and frequently did testing at that station.

Originally built in 1887, this was a single-bay, two-story house.  It first housed Supply Hose Number 5.   On October 8, 1912, Hose 5 was replaced by Engine 22.  A 1940 report stated that it had been "completely rebuilt and modernized into a bungalow-type station with sleeping quarters in the rear."  In 1958, the new [present] station was built at Front and Marion, housing Engine 22 and Ladder 3.  The old fire house building still stands and is used for storage by Viking Sign Supplies.

corner of Front St. and N. Albemarle

Shan also took a photo of an interesting brick building a few blocks down Front Street on the corner of North Albemarle.  It was a corner grocery as the beginning of the name is visible at the top of the structure.  It was nice to see the old sign painted on the side so nicely preserved.  I hope we can find out more of the store's history.  The building now serves as a residence.

As a very nice conclusion to this blog, I am pleased to say that Pat's daughter Jean called and we talked for quite a while putting together some of the family puzzle .  She appears as happy as I am to have found a new cousin.  She knows very little about her Father's side of the family and seems interested in learning about him.  Also later in the
week there was an email contact from Jessica Good Anderson, a daughter of Pat's daughter Dianne.   She also is interested in working on her family tree.  I told her I would help as I could. 

Thursday, September 12, 2013

In Memorium: Patricia Anne Schanno Schotl, 1928-2013

In Memorium: Patricia Anne Schanno Schotl, 1928-2013
Patricia Schanno, n.d.

Much of this blog was written before we learned of Aunt Pat's passing.  We were aware of some of the health problems she dealt with daily, but when we saw her she was cheerful, happy for the visit, moving about preparing lunch and all the while chatting away about the kids and the neighbors, her card games and trips to the casino.  We spoke to her after our visit and planned to see her in October.  We were very surprised and saddened when a family member sent us the obituary from the Sunday paper of September 7.
We concluded our July 2013 Minnesota trip with a  visit with Aunt Patricia Schanno Schotl at her residence, in a senior apartment building on Larpenteur Avenue, in Roseville.  

Earlier in the summer, Shan and I composed a letter to her and two of her children.  We found addresses through Internet searches and sent a letter that detailed our forthcoming visit and our wish to meet and share experiences with them.   A  few weeks later there was a phone call from Aunt Pat.

She had just returned from a "grandchild wedding up north" and found our letter.  "When can you come?... can you stay for lunch?  I'll make Fajitas. Do you like Fajitas?"

Herbert J. Schanno, Roselawn Cemetery,
Roseville MN

Mollie Dieters Schanno Roselawn Cemetery,
 Roseville MN

Pat's paternal grandfather, Herbert John Schanno, was born on December 28, 1880 in Minnesota. He married Molly Deiters.   Their son Clinton and daughter Iona were adopted.

According to Pat, Herbert owned a dairy farm near the Pearson Candy factory along West 7th Street near downtown St. Paul.  He also worked as a milk tester.  He  died at the age of 46 on December 17, 1926 and is buried in Roselawn Cemetery, Roseville, Minnesota.  Molly was born on Nov. 1, 1882, and died on June 20 1974. She is also buried in Roselawn Cemetery.                                              



Helen Schanno, Calvary Cemetery,
St. Paul MN

Pat's father, Clinton/Clifton Schanno  married Pat's mother Helen A. Love.  They had three sons and one daughter.

Clinton was born April 5th , 1906 in West Saint Paul and died in Wirt Minnesota on his birthday in 1964. He is buried in Acacia Cemetery, Mendota Heights, Minnesota.  Her mother, Helen, was born on October 8, 1907, in Wisconsin.  She died on July 27, 1945 at the age of 37, and is buried in Calvary Cemetery in St Paul.

Washington High School, St. Paul

Smith School at Geranium and Sylvan

Patricia was the first born of the four, the only sister to Don, Del and Thomas.  She grew up in the Rice Street area of Saint Paul and went to Smith Elementary School and then to Washington High School where she graduated in 1946.  

She recalled the hard times of the Depression when she put cardboard in her shoes and her Dad had earned money by "dare boxing."  "He used to come home with black eyes."   She said he also talked about his cooking for the railroad guys but didn't know if it was a job with the railroad or if he had cooked for some of the hobos down by the railroad yards.  Her father's given name was Clinton, but somehow or for some reason, it had been changed to Clifton.  "It may have been to avoid the bill collectors."  A photo she seems to especially treasure is one of her father with her brother Donald and his first deer.

According to the 1931 and 1932 St. Paul City Directories, Clinton was living with wife Helen and young family at 1034 Crowell Ave, St. Paul.  Patricia was aged 6.  He was employed as a driver for St. Paul Milk Company. The family then moved to 63 Jessamine Ave. and he was working as a truck driver for Baldwin Transfer Co.  His wife, Helen Love Schanno died on July 27 of 1945.   Her Father remarried in 1946 to Helen M Kuebelbeck and continued to live in the  house on Jessamine.  After her Mother's death Pat moved out and lived with a neighbor.  In 1948 Clinton was employed as the "Recording Secretary for St. Paul General Drivers, Union Local 120".

Enter the scene, a dashing young soldier, my Uncle Herbert James Schotl, the youngest sibling of my mother, Bernice Schotl Glaeve.  He was discharged from the Army in January of 1946, and  returned to St. Paul.  He was living with his mother on Jackson Street and was hanging around the Rice Street area with a few army buddies and neighborhood chums. According to Aunt Pat, "It was a rough group and they were and up to no good." 

One evening, as Pat was on the way to dinner at the home of one of her friends, she chanced upon Herb and he asked her to a movie.  She knew who he was and because of his reputation, she wanted nothing to do with him.   She declined the invitation but he later showed up at the friend's house and the rest is mushy history.  They were married in March of 1948.

As a young pre-teen boy I had known her as Aunt Pat.  My only lasting memory is of a visit with her in an upstairs apartment somewhere in the Rice Street area.  I don't think Herb was there and if there was a child, it was of the wee size.  She sat on a large over-stuffed green chair and smoked a cigarette.  When I showed her the photo she said, "Well I haven't smoked for 45 years". 


Pat with daughter

Herb and Pat were parents to 5 children.  They were Sandi (1948), Craig (1954), David (1958), Jean (1960) and Dianne (1963). 
Schotl house at 1123 Albemarle St.
They were living at 1123 Albemarle Street, about a block from St. Bernard Catholic Church where the children were baptized.  The children attended St. Bernard Elementary School and at least some attended St. Bernard High School.


St. Catherine University sits on 110 wooded acres in the
Highland Village neighborhood of St. Paul, Minnesota

Ultimately the marriage ended in separation and divorce.   Pat went back to school and
earned a nursing degree at the College of St. Catherine (St. Kate's).  She said the kids were
a great help as she was getting her education.

Sandi married James Koktavy in 1967 and was living in Arizona when she was diagnosed with cancer.  She died on May 21 of 1999 in a hospice care facility in Coon Rapids Minnesota.  The other children, including Pat's last son Rob, are alive and were very much a part of her life.

Children of Herb and Patricia Schotl with Grandma Rose, ca. 1964


Pat's photo of Craig and little one

In her apartment there were child and grand-child pictures everywhere. 

Photo in Pat's apartment of daughters Dianne and Jean




"I have so many pictures I have to change them according to who is coming for a visit" she commented.   When Shan asked her how she kept them all straight she said "Oh I just call them all honey".

Her brother Donald became very interested in "where everybody was buried".  He spent time at the Courthouse inquiring about records and traveling to cemeteries.  "He always wanted me to go along but I never did... He kept notes and drew small maps on 4" x 6" index cards of the cemeteries with burial locations." 

Pat showed us some of these cards.  I took some photos of them and include a sample which is the one for her brother Thomas Schanno. Thomas was disabled from birth and was institutionalized for most of his life.  Pat made time to visit and make sure he was getting good care.  "Of course I always took candy for his friends so they were always happy when I came to see him."
 Shan and I hope to expand Pat's story to share with family and friends.  We would like to hear from any one who has corrections or additions to what we have written so far, or would like to share their memories of this wonderful, courageous woman.  You may use the "Post a comment" section below to make a contact or to share your memory.
Rest in Peace Aunt Pat.  You have been an inspiration.   Gerry Glaeve and Shan Thomas, September 11, 2013. 

Wednesday, August 21, 2013

Looking for Kunshiers at the County Courthouse and an overnight in Forest Lake

In the summer of  2013 we drove from Mt. Horeb to Anoka, Minnesota.  I have already reported on other parts of the trip in blogs dated July and August 2013.  Our actual first stop on that trip was in Anoka for lunch at Casa Rio Tex Mex Restaurant, a two thumbs up.  Next we settled in at the Anoka County Court House.  Shan worked on the  micro-film machine trying to find land ownership and land transfer records involving the Kunshiers.  We were especially looking for the original Joseph Kunshier Sr. land purchase and info on how the farmstead changed hands in later years.  

We found that Joseph Sr. had purchased 80 acres from Willis H. Sanborn on September 7, 1887.  In 1892 it was given by Joseph Sr. to Joseph Jr. "in consideration of natural love and affection".  Because of previous contracts there were some encumbrances on the property but eventually Joseph Jr. took full title. 

In later years the Kunshiers added another 40 acres to the South which was farmed by Edward (Ted) Kunshier, Joseph Junior's son, and 80 acres to the North farmed by Andrew Kunshier.  Alex Kunshier owned another 80 acres a few farms to the west in section #2.  The farm East of Alex was owned by Anton Strecker, the father of George Strecker.  George married Emma Kunshier, the youngest sister of Grandma Rose.  The dark lines running on diagonals  through the farms were drainage ditches.  These ditches were necessary in this marshy area.


The next morning we met with Ken Dufresne.  I wrote about this in the last blog on wire grass farms. [See that link here] He told us that what is now called Notre Dame Road had previously been referred to as the old Kunshier Road.  We followed his directions to the area only to find that little was recognizable of old Kunshier farms. 

On our trip in 2012 we were looking for Kunshiers buried in the Catholic cemeteries including Calvary Cemetery in Forest Lake. I included  those photos and information in an earlier blog. [see that blog here]

After that trip, using the web site Find-A-Grave, we found there were also Kunshiers buried in the private cemetery of Oak Park in Columbus Township, Anoka County.  Oak Park Cemetery is located on the south side of Broadway Avenue, about 1 mile west of the Kunshier farms. It is open year around and well maintained.

We drove past the Kunshier farms to Oak Park where I spoke to the young man, Nick Jensen, tending the grounds.  He said his father Mike was the administrator.  We plan on making  contact to get the cemetery history and a cemetery map.  Shan did some gravestone cleaning and I took gravestone photographs of the Kunshier markers we found.  The burials include three of Grandma Rose Kunshier Schotl's siblings:

  • Joseph J. Kunshier b. 1869 d. 1942
  • Charles Kunshier   b. 1878 d. 1940
  • Alex A. Kunshier,  b. 1892 d. 1973

Joseph J. Kunschier Jr. married Theresa Groess in 1893. She is buried next to him. 

    Charles married Mary Dahm in 1901.  He worked at various trades including as a harness maker.  He also did some farming and worked as a game-keeper at what became the  Carlos Avery Game Farm.  She is also buried in Oak Park.


    Lorraine (?) and Esther Kunshier,
    daughter and wife of Alex ca. 1969
    Alex Kunshier 1969

    Alex married Esther Evjen and they farmed in Columbus Township until ca. 1935 when we find them on a farm in Ham Lake Township, Anoka County. 

    They are both buried in Oak Park Cemetery, Columbus Township 

    It would appear that time is running out for talking to any of the surviving Kunshiers. We had asked Ken Dufresne about Kunshiers still living in the area.  He said he had gone to school with Kunshiers and thought at least two of the Kunshiers, Warren and Richard, were still living in the area.  I identified both of them as sons of Alex and Esther.  We are hoping that we will be able to track them down on our next trip.

    The last part of this day was a check-in at the motel in Forest Lake.

    After our dinner at Za Italian Minnesotan we took a walk down by the lake where there is a Veteran's Memorial Park. 

    While checking out the bricks that had been purchased by family and friends, we discovered there were also Kunshiers there.  Included were Daniel Dean Kunshier who served both on the USS Hornet and the USS Wasp in the Korean War   

     and Robert J. Kunshier who enlisted February 1941 at age 19. He was a Corporal in the U.S. Army, 34th Infantry Division, WWII Europe and Africa.  We had trouble taking a picture of Robert's brick and hope to include it at a later date.  Both are Andrew and Leonora's sons.

    Lakeside Memorial Park, Forest Lake

    United Methodist Cemetery, Wyoming, Chisago County

    Searching for other Kunshier veterans from the area, on the Find-A Grave site I found Gary Lee Kunshier.   His parents were Harold and Manola Kunshier.  Harold was a son of Charles Kunshier.   I also found Gary on the National Vietnam Veteran's Memorial in Washington D.C..  He is honored on Panel 41W, Row 5.  He was a Private First Class for the United States Marine Corps during the Vietnam War.  He died on October 04, 1968 at the age of 20 "due to a mortar, rocket, or artillery incident" in Quang Tri Province.
    The next morning we met and had lunch with Aunt Patricia Schanno Schotl.  We came home to Mt. Horeb with alot to think and write about.